Log of SPC e-Conference 21 June 2004 Room #r3spc Server: chat.ccc.uab.edu BillR (~BillR@68.51.173.152) has joined the conversation. BillR says: Good evening Bob DickR (~r.riddle@68.210.249.39) has joined the conversation. Host BobD says: Hi, Dick! DickR says: Hi Bob just checked to see if I am connected. Host BobD says: It's good we switched to UAB, as IEEE is still out tonight. DickR says: Yep Thank God for the folks at UAB. BillR says: ( they opened up an IRC server on ewh.ieee.org but I don't know how stable it is) Host BobD says: It was working earlier today, but it was down when last I checked. DickR says: While I have you guys on I have a proposal... DickR says: I think the issues that Bill R was suggesting in his... DickR says: R3 Operational Issues are worth addressing prior to .... DickR says: doing a lot of work on changes to the Ops's Man ... DickR says: so I suggest that we start our discussion on the VC... DickR says: what do you think? Host BobD says: Dick, we can give it a whirl. BillR says: c DickR says: Bill? Can you put up a strawman on the VC? BillR says: Sure, sometime tomorrow but as you pointed out... BillR says: these kind of discussion generally require face to face. DickR says: I feel that we must have Bill H and George M involved... DickR says: in these discussions so we know if they are committed ... DickR says: to the results or outcome of these discussions. Host BobD says: I think we may have too much info in the Ops Manual... Host BobD says: Our Ad Hoc committees are supposed to be short-term appointments. ... Host BobD says: that really shouldn't have to be covered in the Ops Man. ... Host BobD says: Some of the so-called Ad Hoc committees are really subcommittees (like Newsletter, e-conf, etc). BillR says: (or functions ) Host BobD says: Yep. Eliminating short term committees would simplify the Ops Manual. DickR says: I agree that this would simplify the Ops Man maybe that... DickR says: is what Bill R is refering to in his issue under ... DickR says: multiple Functi9ns vs sperate Comm or sub comm? DickR says: Tunctions BillR says: (yep ...plus the concepts of crossfunctionality between committees) DickR says: c Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: I know it will be a major task to get all of the SPC and ... DickR says: many of the ExCom folks involved on the VC, but we can... DickR says: give it a shot if you guys are willing. Host BobD says: I think the VC will work if folks can see a value in its use ... Host BobD says: Lee was talking about the many choices we have, and I think that's a valid concern. ... Host BobD says: The use of e-conferencing/chat met a definite need. If VC can be found to meet a need for addressing a specific subject/problem, people will be more inclined to use it. DickR says: I like the email function of the VC and I don't find it... DickR says: much differnt than using the NG. Host BobD says: I personally like the simplicity of the NG. BillR says: We could use the NG but the track record of the SPC members contributing to the discussion, other than present company, is rather dismal. DickR says: Well it is 9:00 PM so we can talk later or via email. Host BobD says: I hope changing to UAB doesn't screw everyone up. DickR says: Bill can you monitor the other server and help people get to this server? BillR says: I am monitoring the ewh server but they don't know the address of it. BillR says: or to go there...it is ewh.ieee.org ... BillR says: the irc.ewh.ieee.org server is still down. Host BobD says: I guess I checked that one at 8:30 DickR says: Wow! 10-4 I got Bob's email I hope others did. Host BobD says: I sent it to everyone. BillR says: We may have the same problem tomorrow evening with the Comm. Comm. e-conference BillR says: ( I received my copy) Host BobD says: Bill, did you get my article re Stepford Managers? I though it might fit our retreat theme. Host BobD says: They say the re-issue of the Stepford Wives is hilarious. BillR says: It does raise many of the issues... especially the need to think differently. Host BobD says: If Mike is unavailable, the prof at Emory who wrote the article might be an alternate candidate. BillR says: Mike has agreed to participate in 8/21-22 so now I need to get the invitation list worked out with you and Dick, et al. Host BobD says: OK. I trust you and Dave endorse Mike. I don't know him myself. DickR says: 8/21-22 is fine with me. Host BobD says: 8/21-22 is my prefernce. DickR says: I move that we go to the agenda item 7 and let Bill talk about the SPC Retreat. Host BobD says: If we don't have more, maybe I should call another gathering for next Monday. Maybe the IRC site will be working then. BillR says: Host BobD says: We're multiplying like rabbits! BillR says: We could also direct them to the ewh.ieee.org server but that may be confusing as well. DickR says: I am open on Monday 6/28 if your want to meet then. Host BobD says: We may want to do so. Dick's suggestion sounds good. I missed it. BillR: shall we discuss the retreat? DickR says: How ever we have the LDO training session on 6/29. BillR says: 6/28 is fine with me. Host BobD says: And a 4th of July long weekend coming after that. Host BobD says: BillR: Is there anything we could discuss re the SPC retreat at this time? BillR says: Well, what are your thoughts regarding who must be in attendance at the retreat? Host BobD says: SPC members primarily plus other key leaders e.g. Green, Hickman, McClure, Stogner, & of course Harrison. Host BobD says: Maybe a couple GOLD types? Host BobD says: That's my dos centavos. Host BobD says: And Hill. BillR says: Possibly Lord? Host BobD says: Definitely. BillR says: If the date is not acceptable to everyone listed... who is absolutely critical that they attend? Host BobD says: Budget constraints likely will limit inviting the whole ExCom. DickR says: q Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: Do we have a go on the funds? Host BobD says: BillH hasn't said much either way. Hickman pointed out it'll be a negative drain. No one has said "No". DickR says: c Host BobD says: I do think we should really be prudent, maybe not as drastic as last spring. Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: OK let assume it is a go and get an estimate of the real cost. Host BobD says: With the names shown, we'll have a sizeable travel cost plus the hotel/lodging. ... Host BobD says: I'm not sure what or if Mike may cost us. BillR says: Travel and hotel from Colorado unless one of his other sources can pay? Host BobD says: I'd guess so. Host BobD says: BTW, Kathleen and I are flying to Denver in late Sep; we have Delta r/t tkts for 178 bucks each. DickR says: c Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: Are we planning on meeting at the hotel? BillR says: I was DickR says: c Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: Which hotel? Host BobD says: Probably the airport Hilton would be most convenient. Host BobD says: It's available that weekend. DickR says: c Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: What is the rate and does it include the meeting room. Host BobD says: Haven't checked, but it would have to incl room. ... Host BobD says: As we're meeting there also in mid Oct, we likely could get similar rates. DickR says: c Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: OK that I think was 89/night. Host BobD says: I imagine the ballpark cost would be $150/per person incl chow Host BobD says: plus transportation, of course. Host BobD says: A per head cost for the meeting will probably run ~$500, I'd guess. DickR says: c Host BobD says: ga, Dick DickR says: so the bottom line should be about 500 per person right? Host BobD says: That's my guess. DickR says: c Host BobD says: BillR: Any thoughts? BillR says: That fits my assumptions as well... BillR says: so $10,000 plus any expenses like high speed internet... Host BobD says: Would we really need the hi spd internet for the retreat? Host BobD says: That may be standard now -- I'm not sure. BillR says: an internet connection would only cost about $100 for 2 days. Host BobD says: OK BillR says: Dick? DickR says: Sounds about right to me 10,000 - 11,000. DickR says: for 20 people. Host BobD says: So that would allow around 20 guys at the retreat, incl Mike. BillR says: right Host BobD says: Mike would have a higher cost; the ATL guys would be cheaper. Host BobD says: Any other thoughts, guys, or shall we secure for tonight and try again for a bigger turnout next Monday? BillR says: Sounds good for next Monday. Host BobD says: Sorry we had such a poor turnout tonight, but I guess the changed server is a big factor. DickR says: Sound good to me let's do it. Host BobD says: At least we've met one of our G&Os... Host BobD says: We've had an SPC e-conf, though with very low attendance.! BillR says: Host BobD says: Thanks, Bill and Dick, for coming. At least we had some good talk re the retreat. ... DickR says: and you almost finished in one hour Host BobD says: Yep! I like the one-hour jobs. DickR says: 10-4 Host BobD says: See you guys next Monday, and I'll shake the trees to try to get more attendees. Host BobD says: Bye and thanks! DickR says: Good night all. BillR says: Thanks Bob. G' Nite