CharlesL says: Good evening!
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Hi, Charles!Host BobD says:
I don't know how many will show...Host BobD says:
Conner, Beall, V.Power, & Jackson won't.Host BobD says:
And Riddle's computer is still sick.ReedT has joined the conversation.
CharlesL says:
Evening Reed!ReedT says:
Hello Bob and Charles.Host BobD says:
Hi, Reed!Host BobD says:
Just got Margaret's e-note.ReedT says:
How many are expected tonight?Host BobD says:
Well, I was just listing the known absentees:...Host BobD says:
Beall, Conner, V.Powers, Riddle,& Jackson.Host BobD says:
Riddle's computer is still sick.ReedT says:
They will be missed.Host BobD says:
I have heard comments from Conner & Jackson.Host BobD says:
I hope Harris, D.Powers, Caston, & maybe McLaren can join.Host BobD says:
Dave Green might show up to help us. Bill Ratcliff should also be here.Host BobD says:
The Harrises just returned from Alaska.ReedT says:
It was a good time to be out of this heat wave!Host BobD says:
Yep. The Powers just returned from Florida.Host BobD says:
But Vern is out of town.BillR has joined the conversation.
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Hi, Bill!BillR says:
Hi GuysDaveG has joined the conversation.
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HiCharlesL says:
Hi DaveHost BobD says:
Hi, Dave!Host BobD says:
Dale Caston sent the New Financial Model a little while ago.Host BobD says:
Dave Conner helped put it together.Host BobD says:
Well...it's 9:01!Host BobD says:
Let's go ahead.Host BobD says:
I don't know for cartain if others will come.Host BobD says:
What I'd like to do is kick off...Host BobD says:
the SPC meeting....Host BobD says:
Dick Riddle has been most anxious for SPC to look at two real challenges...Host BobD says:
As he readies for his Y2K term, he'd appreciate advice on...Host BobD says:
what he should be doing as R3 head in facing...Host BobD says:
1. the serious moves towards unbundling IEEE-USA from the main IEEE...DaveG has left the conversation.
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That may lead down the road to the unbundling of RAB and even the Sections.DaveG has joined the conversation.
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GA, Reed.ReedT says:
I think part of the problem is the name of "IEEE-USA",,.ReedT says:
It should return to the constitutionally mandated scope of…ReedT says:
representing the professional interest of members ...ReedT says:
as opposed to technical interest...ReedT says:
Professional interest need NOT be limited to US members...ReedT says:
Professional interests have an equal constitutional standing to...ReedT says:
Technical interests.Host BobD says:
That's a good point. Other C's or Q's?DaveG says:
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GA, DaveDaveG says:
By Professional, you mean the non-lobbying part -- right?ReedT says:
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Go, Reed.ReedT says:
By Professional I mean all the non-technical interests.Host BobD says:
That includes both lobbying and non-lobbying?DaveG says:
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GA, Dave.ReedT says:
The Constitution does not mention lobbing, just "Professional Interests".DaveG says:
My understanding from presentations made by the IEEE lawyers ....DaveG says:
that because IEEE is non-profit, in addition to benefit ...DaveG says:
to its profession, it has a responsibility to education and the public ...DaveG says:
Lobbying is not generally considered within the large mission so...DaveG says:
must be small part of the activity.Host BobD says:
Other C's?ReedT says:
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Any other comments?ReedT says:
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Reed has a questionDaveG whispers to BobD:
Reed has question.Host BobD says:
Dan Jackson sent anGo, Reed.ReedT says:
Is it correct that IEEE-USA gets…ReedT says:
only the assessment funds, not dues funds?Host BobD says:
I'm not sure. I suspect they get some overhead support.DaveG says:
C (have guess)Host BobD says:
Go, Dave.DaveG says:
I believe the intent is for it to be self-sufficient based on assessment and...DaveG says:
activities but I believe that is in the red still.Host BobD says:
IEEE-Canada probably uses some Reg 7 funds to do its things.DaveG says:
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As far as I know, there is NO difference (or line) between IEEE Canada and Region 7.Host BobD says:
Hi, Dick!!!DickR says:
Hi AllHost BobD says:
Dick, we're currently discussing IEEE-USA's funding.Host BobD says:
Is it fully by the assessment?Host BobD says:
Or do you know?DickR says:
As far as I know.Host BobD says:
Reed pointed out the IEEE constitution has "professional"...Host BobD says:
on the same level as "technical"....Host BobD says:
though there's some question as to how far lobbying is authorized.Host BobD says:
Any other C's or Q's?DickR says:
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GADickR says:
I should say that IEEE-USA has...DickR says:
some sources of income which...DickR says:
helps with the total funding.Host BobD says:
Are these IEEE sources?DickR says:
Yes and no... they get...DickR says:
some income from the Job listing.Host BobD says:
OK.Host BobD says:
Dan Jackson e-mailed that...Host BobD says:
the best move R3 can make for now is to vote for Joel Snyder!Host BobD says:
I also talked with Dave Conner...Host BobD says:
He says a study is to be done...Host BobD says:
re streamlining the operation of IEEE...Host BobD says:
RFPs are just going out...Host BobD says:
He thinks the best thing to do is try to get everyone to await the study results...Host BobD says:
That'll take a couple years, since IEEE really doesn't move fast.Host BobD says:
His advice for Dick is to push for everyone to await the study results.ReedT says:
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Does TAB write the study descriptionHost BobD says:
ExCom prepared the RFP, I understand.CharlesL says:
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GACharlesL says:
Are these RFPs going to consultants outside the IEEE membership...CharlesL says:
or are they looking for the members input too?Host BobD says:
Impartial study outfits.Host BobD says:
I don't think they're soliciting member comments for now.Host BobD says:
Maybe after the study is completed they might.Host BobD says:
It's after 9:30...BillR says:
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It might be helpful to the strategic thinking if we could see a copy of the RFP...BillR says:
can that be accomplished?Host BobD says:
That's a good point.Host BobD says:
Maybe after the contract is let, it may be available....Host BobD says:
I don't know if it's currently available.Host BobD says:
Perhaps Dave Conner could share details (he's in a class every night).Host BobD says:
We could ask if it's available for the "unwashed" outside ExCom!BillR says:
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GA, Bill.BillR says:
It would appear that much is hinging on this/these studies that...BillR says:
we need to know rather quickly what thenscope is ...BillR says:
in order to determine direction or at least possible directions for Region 3.ReedT has left the conversation.
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Well, I guess we could trust ExCom, but we could try to get a copy, anyhow....ReedT has joined the conversation.
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Dave really recommends we wait 'til the study is completed, since...BillR says:
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it covers re-branding,...Host BobD says:
a financial model,...Host BobD says:
and streamlining of operations and organization.DaveG says:
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It's a big study.Host BobD says:
GA, Dave.DaveG says:
(Bill was first)Host BobD says:
Sorry. Bill. GABillR says:
That's ok GA DaveBillR says:
I'll go after Dave GA DaveDaveG says:
There is a trio of volunteer committees studying each of these issues...DaveG says:
does this mean that the Excom has decided to go external instead of...DaveG says:
waiting for these committees to complete their work?Host BobD says:
I guess it means they're looking for impartial experts to give advice..Host BobD says:
The committees may also work, but ...Host BobD says:
the impartial contractor's view may be important.DickR says:
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ga DickDickR says:
I thought that IEEE just did that...DickR says:
last year and that is...DickR says:
what started the sub committee that ...DickR says:
DaveG made reference to.Host BobD says:
Well, I'm just quoting what Conner told me by phone yesterday.DickR says:
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GA, Dick.DickR says:
Do you think that Dale knows anything...DickR says:
about this?Host BobD says:
I imagine he does, but with Conner on the ExCom, I...Host BobD says:
imagine he's cloder to it than Dale.Host BobD says:
Closer not cloderHost BobD says:
Other C's?Host BobD says:
It's now 9:55, guys....Host BobD says:
I'd like to keep our meetings to an hour....BillR says:
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Is Tues at 9pm ET convenient?Host BobD says:
ga, Bill.BillR says:
If IEEE is indeed on the verge of a major shift in its operating model...BillR says:
and battles are eminent then it would seem we need to know how the lines are being drawn...Host BobD says:
I don't think it's on the verge. It'll take quite a while for the study.BillR says:
and how the changes in values and principles are being shaped ...BillR says:
if Region 3 is to respond.Host BobD says:
That's why Conner recommends we sit tight for now.BillR says:
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GA, Bill.BillR says:
I agree that ghoing off on half cock is not appropriate;however,...BillR says:
studie taht are supposed to be objective often lead to biased conclusions...BillR says:
and once the results are presented the time for debate is often not available...BillR says:
that is my major concern.Host BobD says:
IEEE is not noted for moving fast.Host BobD says:
Your concerns are valid, of course.Host BobD says:
Here again, though, by the time...Host BobD says:
the study results are presented, there will be (likely) a different ExCom...Host BobD says:
and there will certainly be much discussion before significant changes would be implemented.Host BobD says:
I tend to think Conner's advice is wise.Host BobD says:
Any other c's?Host BobD says:
It's after 10!Host BobD says:
I'd like to bring tonite to a close...Host BobD says:
Can we meet next Tues and address item 2?Host BobD says:
Is another night better?ReedT says:
OK by me.BillR says:
Tuesday is fine.ReedT says:
Tues is fine.Host BobD says:
Great.DickR says:
OK by me.Host BobD says:
I'm real pleased that Dick could join us...Host BobD says:
in spite of his bottoms up computer!DickR says:
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We'll try to get tonight's logs available shortly.Host BobD says:
GA, Dick.(remainder is from another log, sorry for formatting)
DickR| I am back on my old system... DickR| up an down but the new system is ... DickR| installed but does not work.... DickR| so I'll be up and down for a few days. BobD| OK, Dick. DaveG and BillR, pse save your logs, too, in case mine doesn't work. DaveG| OK. BillR| 10-4 BobD| I'll send copies of Dan Jackson's & Dave Conner's stuff to everyone, also. BobD| Thanks much for coming. I hope we'll have more next Tues.