Log for SPC Meeting 17 Aug 99

CharlesL (~c.j.lord@12.77.65.226) has joined the conversation.

CharlesL says:

Hi Bob!

Host BobD says:

Hi, Charles!

CharlesL says:

I will try to play fly on the wall tonight and be here for Q's only.

Host BobD says:

Hope we may have more tonight than 8/10.

Host BobD says:

I appreciate your being here with us.

CharlesL says:

That would be great.

CharlesL says:

Thanks. It is good to be a small part of this.

Host BobD says:

I submitted an evaluation form for 8/10, belatedly.

CharlesL says:

I saw that and thank you. We need feedback from everyone...

CharlesL says:

if we are to make this work for the most people.

Host BobD says:

I hope to keep the SPC meetings to an hour....

Host BobD says:

beyond that it gets real tiresome.

CharlesL says:

I thought you did an admirable job of that considering...

CharlesL says:

that most people were so late - like tonight. Humm.

Host BobD says:

I'm sure most would rather be doing something else at this time of night (G)

Host BobD says:

I find the cartoon version makes it more interesting...

Host BobD says:

but sometimes I miss it when new people enter the room....

Host BobD says:

In text, you're notified right away.

CharlesL says:

I wonder if you can run both mIRC and MSChat at the same time...

CharlesL says:

I might try that and see what blows up <G>.

Host BobD says:

OK. I thought some were using mIRC already.

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Host BobD says:

Hi, Dave!

DaveG says:

Hi Bob/Charles

CharlesL says:

Hi Dave!

Host BobD says:

DaveG, can someone using mIRC chat with MSChat types?

CharlesL says:

Bob -> yes, that is my preference (mIRC)

DaveG says:

yes, no problem. I am not on either.

Host BobD says:

OK. I thought so. I'm MSChat.

CharlesL says:

one in every crowd.

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Host BobD says:

Hi, Reed!

DaveG says:

I usually log in MSChat and talk in X-Chat on linux

ReedT says:

hello all

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Host BobD says:

DaveG, maybe that's why you show up as two people on the cartoon...

Host BobD says:

One for MSChat and one on XChat.

DaveG says:

Yep, one DaveG one DaveG-2 or something like than <G>

Host BobD says:

Hi, Bill!

BillR says:

Hi Bob

Host BobD says:

I hoped Roy Harris and Jim Beall might make it tonight.

Host BobD says:

And Dick Riddle, I hope.

CharlesL says:

I spoke with Jim end of last week and he said he was going to be here...

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Host BobD says:

Hi, Dick!

CharlesL says:

but is not coming to any more Thur mtgs...

DickR says:

Howdee All

CharlesL says:

We lost him talking about ports and routers.

Host BobD says:

I think Jim feels one e-conf a week is enough.

Host BobD says:

Well, let's get started...

CharlesL-2 (~c.j.lord@12.77.65.226) has joined the conversation.

Host BobD says:

Others may come tardily.

Host BobD says:

Last week we mainly discussed the unbundling question...

CharlesL-2 says:

Bob - to answer Q...

CharlesL-2 says:

you can run MSChat and mIRC at the same time.

Host BobD says:

and its potential impact on IEEE-USA and ultimately on RAB et al....

Host BobD says:

Dave Conner had mentioned the IEEE RFP to be let....

Host BobD says:

and said we'd probably be wise to hold off getting too uptight...

Host BobD says:

When asked about seeing the RFP text, we found it wasn't yet complete...

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So...it'll be a while before it's let and responded to and studied, etc.

DaveG says:

C

Host BobD says:

GA, Dave

DaveG says:

And IEEE-USA is living within their assessment plus monies they make.

Host BobD says:

Thanks

Host BobD says:

Other C's?

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Host BobD says:

Let's then move on to the other key item:...

Host BobD says:

the growing internationalization of IEEE.

Host BobD says:

I guess we see this as more key officers are internationals...

Host BobD says:

and more key meetings are held in other countries.

Host BobD says:

Financially, many non-US members...

Host BobD says:

are on "welfare", as their salaries are lower than the US.

Host BobD says:

What should we (i.e. Dick Riddle) do as R3 director in this regard?

Host BobD says:

Q's, C's?

ReedT says:

c

Host BobD says:

ga, Reed

ReedT says:

US Members constitute 2/3 rds of all members and should be emphasized.

Host BobD says:

And they probably pay 85% dues?

ReedT says:

?

Host BobD says:

GA, Reed.

ReedT says:

Can we get the foreign subsidies of dues removed?

DaveG says:

c

Host BobD says:

That might be something BoD should consider before they become a bigger percentage!

Host BobD says:

GA Dave

ReedT says:

c

DaveG says:

Foreign "subsidy" is minimum income subsidy (1/2 dues) which is also given to unemployed US.

Host BobD says:

Right.

Host BobD says:

Reed?

ReedT says:

In India, for example, a subsidized member will probably have...

ReedT says:

a cook, a housekeeper, a gardener, etc...

ReedT says:

why should we subsidize that person?

CharlesL says:

c

Host BobD says:

GA, Chas

CharlesL says:

My concern is more strategic than monetary...

CharlesL says:

As much as we like to complain, IEEE dues are less than other grps...

CharlesL says:

such as NSPE...

CharlesL says:

What I see is the statements from some of our past BoDs...

CharlesL says:

that biggest growth and biggest growth potential is in R7-10...

CharlesL says:

thus that is where we want to emphasize our growth efforts...

CharlesL says:

It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy...

CharlesL says:

I have approached this at past SC's...

CharlesL says:

and been told that "That is what IEEE-USA is for"...

CharlesL says:

but MD, EAC, etc are from Piscataway, not D.C....

CharlesL says:

I think effort should be even for where members are, now.

Host BobD says:

And 7-10 isn't the biggest financial growth...which is why there's financial concern.

ReedT says:

c

Host BobD says:

I think everyone wants IEEE to grow, but a healthy financial AND membership growth.

Host BobD says:

GA, Reed

ReedT says:

If Institute has a financial problem, I think DickR should work to eliminate the dues subsidy..,

ReedT says:

to get growth that can be sustained.

DaveG says:

C

Host BobD says:

GA, Dave

DaveG says:

The other interesting thing is the fact that the IEEE main dues ...

DaveG says:

are subsidized but not all society dues.

Host BobD says:

Maybe with low unemployment now, removing the subsidy might work.

DickR says:

c

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CharlesL says:

Hi Jim!

JimB says:

c

Host BobD says:

Hi, Jim. GA, Dick!

DickR says:

Where do I find out who is being subsidized?

Host BobD says:

RAB should have that info, I'd think.

DickR says:

c

DaveG says:

http://www.ieee.org/membership/dues.html (see "special circumstances")

Host BobD says:

GA JimB, then Dick

Host BobD says:

GA, Dick

DickR says:

I think Dave gave me...

DickR says:

the answer. I know about the 1/2 dues for..

DickR says:

unemployed US members ,,,,

DickR says:

but the others I did not know.

Host BobD says:

I think there's a salary below which you're eligible for help.

Host BobD says:

That's what India & China use.

Host BobD says:

And Russia & E. Europe.

Host BobD says:

And that's where there's a lot of growth!

Host BobD says:

Maybe Jamaica, too.

Host BobD says:

Anyone know the magic income level?

DaveG says:

$8600

Host BobD says:

OK

JimB says:

Last I knew it was 8K

DaveG says:

c

DaveG says:

I think it is bound to 1% of dues (before regional assessment.

Host BobD says:

Anyhow...that's why everyone's concerned about the growth overseas.

Host BobD says:

It could ultimately be a major drag on the US members.

JimB says:

c

Host BobD says:

GA, Jim.

JimB says:

For what its worth for years I've heard the overseas story. On the Board and since. What I think the Institute needs to do is spend some money on promoting North America including r7. Too much spent on 8-10

ReedT says:

C

Host BobD says:

GA, Reed.

ReedT says:

I second JimB's idea.

Host BobD says:

Well, this is the kind of advice Dick is seeking, I think.

DickR says:

c

Host BobD says:

What should we in R3 be doing? Any suggestions?

Host BobD says:

GA, Bill.

BillR says:

Dick has a comment

Host BobD says:

Sorry, GA Dick!

DickR says:

Yes is is the kind of advice I need. Thank you.

Host BobD says:

OK. I guess two things tonight have been suggested....

Host BobD says:

Consider lifting the subsidy for poorer members...

Host BobD says:

and spend more assets on R1-7 vice R8-10.

Host BobD says:

C's or Q's?

DaveG says:

C

JimB says:

c

Host BobD says:

GA, Dave.

DaveG says:

I think recent MDC data suggests that market penetration in US is not ...

DaveG says:

anywhere as high as some folks originally thought (implying there is more to mine.)

Host BobD says:

Thanks. GA, Jim.

Host BobD says:

C?, Jim?

JimB says:

I think that Dick needs to get with everyone he can that is r17 and other of a like mind to promote these regions. Need to work on the Board to provide budget money to do the job. Who can work on Dave C as treasurer to help with budget. One thing to remember the Institute really loses money on the poor of India and China and others. It costs us

CharlesL says:

c

JimB says:

a lot more to deliver to their areas. I just saw where India has reached a billion people.

Host BobD says:

GA, Charles

CharlesL says:

If Dick does indeed get more funds allocated to R1-7 support...

CharlesL says:

and development, it will behoove us to work hard to show those...

CharlesL says:

funds well spent. We need to look at agressive penetration into...

CharlesL says:

that market potential that Dave mentioned...

CharlesL says:

If we get the funds and show no real growth increase...

CharlesL says:

we can forget ever getting them again!

Host BobD says:

I think Dave Conner as Treas is well aware of the IEEE income disparity betw US & rest of world

JimB says:

c

Host BobD says:

Certainly, we'd need to show how more money would be effectively used in R1-7.

Host BobD says:

GA, Jim.

JimB says:

I'm sure Dave C is aware, we need his help to reaim the promotional gun. Yes it would help to provide good uses for the funding,. I think that has to be done the next meeting after time to think

Host BobD says:

Thanks, Jim.

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Host BobD says:

Our hour is almost up. I'd like to thank you all for participating.

Host BobD says:

I think we've had useful discussion...

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Host BobD says:

Hopefully, it's been useful, too, for Dick.

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Host BobD says:

I'd like for us to be thinking about the R3 Strat Plan for 2000+...

Host BobD says:

I'll send everyone a copy of what we had put together last Fall...

Host BobD says:

Can we get together again next Tues 8/24 at 9pm ET to discuss that?

ReedT says:

yes

Host BobD says:

Maybe we can revise/change/update it.

Host BobD says:

This can help Dick as he takes the reins 1/1.

Host BobD says:

Any other comments?

Host BobD says:

BillR?

BillR says:

See you next week.

JimB says:

8-24 looks ok to me

Host BobD says:

OK

DickR says:

c

Host BobD says:

Fine. Thanks to you all for coming tonight!

Host BobD says:

GA, Dick.

DickR says:

Good night all, thanks for the input, good meeting.

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Host BobD says:

Thanks, Dick, for helping us. Hope your computer is healed!

DickR says:

I hope so but it went down during this meeting.

Host BobD says:

Oh, dear. Hope it gets better.

Host BobD says:

See y'all!!!